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Yichi · Jan 14, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Well, yeah.

It could have been that Anet would never offer the BMP again.

Nobody knew for sure at the time...

All the initial release of this said was that it was available through a limited time sale and had no plans of selling it on its own. There was never anything that said this was a one time only deal that it would never be sold again.

So many people took the gamble and waited either for a valid reason or just would wait to see how it played out, and this time the gamble worked.

Even with having it on sale, there will still be some people that either cannot get it, or will not get it from past issues they have had with the online store.

WinterSnowblind · Jan 14, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Yichi

All the initial release of this said was that it was available through a limited time sale and had no plans of selling it on its own. There was never anything that said this was a one time only deal that it would never be sold again.

So many people took the gamble and waited either for a valid reason or just would wait to see how it played out, and this time the gamble worked.

Even with having it on sale, there will still be some people that either cannot get it, or will not get it from past issues they have had with the online store.

It's also being released in certain stores.

Dead Come Soon · Jan 14, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

lol so selfish....
u guys fell unhappy because other ppl will get BMP?

please review ur valors...

thx anet

Mordakai · Jan 14, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Yichi

All the initial release of this said was that it was available through a limited time sale and had no plans of selling it on its own. There was never anything that said this was a one time only deal that it would never be sold again.

So many people took the gamble and waited either for a valid reason or just would wait to see how it played out, and this time the gamble worked.

Even with having it on sale, there will still be some people that either cannot get it, or will not get it from past issues they have had with the online store.

No argument from me, hence my use of the word could.

There was never any official confirmation one way or the other - either side could have been screwed.

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Originally Posted by Dead Come Soon

lol so selfish....
u guys fell unhappy because other ppl will get BMP?

please review ur valors...

thx anet

Actually, I was one who supported the BMP going for individual sale.

I'm just surprised it's only $10 - the same price as a character slot, and only twice as much as the GOTY weapon upgrade!

mcsumo · Jan 14, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

No argument from me, hence my use of the word could.

There was never any official confirmation one way or the other - either side could have been screwed.

Actually, I was one who supported the BMP going for individual sale.

I'm just surprised it's only $10 - the same price as a character slot, and only twice as much as the GOTY weapon upgrade!

Precisely. And as it turns out it is those who fulfilled the terms of the promotion are the ones who got screwed. So for showing loyalty and supporting Anet we have actually been penalised instead of rewarded.

Anyway, in a weird way it has set my mind at peace. I no longer have to fret over whether I should buy GW2. I no longer need to stress over getting my HOM complete. I won't buy GW2 or any other anet products, because they can't be trusted.

Gli · Jan 14, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

It seems you just jumped right in, spent your money without thinking and now your p'd off because its cheaper. Am I right?

Would it have hurt to maybe join the protest and wait and see the end result?

Actually, I didn't "jump right in".

I waited until the very end of the promotional period to buy 3 (as of yet unused) character slots, after following all the hullaballoo on the protest threads and petitions with great interest. Those were going nowhere; the only sounds coming out of ANet at that time were angry diatribes by Gaile, passing off each and every posted suggestion regarding an alternative distribution as not feasible.

At the time, there was no reason at all to assume the pack would go on sale separately. Also, I had no reason to assume that ANet would try to trick me out of my money at that particular time, using base marketing ploys. They never had before. Naive? That's an easy accusation to make with perfect hindsight.

Given how incredibly swift they're doing a one hundred and eighty degree turn on their "not-feasible"-stance, even suggesting they might offer the pack in retail after Gaile posted about the sheer impracticality of this option in minute detail, I can only conclude they were at the time masking their true intentions with no other goal than to make us spend money in their online store. Lieing, as some would have it.

Well, they got me fair and square. I fell for the deception. Stupid me, let's all point and laugh for a minute.

It was the last money I'll ever spend on their product though.

Jagged · Jan 14, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Are there rare drops in the BMP that will unbalance the game? I don't see what the big deal over some new mission content is?

Yichi · Jan 14, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

Precisely. And as it turns out it is those who fulfilled the terms of the promotion are the ones who got screwed. So for showing loyalty and supporting Anet we have actually been penalised instead of rewarded.

Actually you aren't. You're getting off much cheaper than someone who waited for the BMP. Say you bought GWEN from the online store during the BMP offer. You now have the BMP for free, to where others that chose to wait now have to pay more money for it.

Redvex · Jan 14, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I dunno why you continue with this story.
Bmp will be released on 28th jen.
You don't like this?
Well leave guild wars and play wow or anything else or don't buy GW2
First, anet don't offer bmp and there are a lot of unhappy people
Now that they offer it there are also a unhappy people.
Is it a time to stop all cry?
Imho they take the right decision but remember.....gw is only a game.

Crom The Pale · Jan 14, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Jagged

Are there rare drops in the BMP that will unbalance the game? I don't see what the big deal over some new mission content is?

There are no drops of any kind in the BMP.

You complete the mission to get a book that can be turned in for a customized item.

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Redvex

Imho they take the right decision but remember.....gw is only a game.

I agree 100% with that last part!

But I would BEG a-net to please allow all rewards to be earned by each character. That gold helps defray the cost of all those custom hero weapons

(I'm referring to the weapon mods, I know the wepons are free with a completed story)

Jagged · Jan 14, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

There are no drops of any kind in the BMP.

You complete the mission to get a book that can be turned in for a customized item.

Ok thanks. As someone new to GW (from WoW). I've already finished Prophecies, GWEN, NF (tonight) and then onto Factions. I'm glad I can buy the BMP b/c I wasn't a GW player when it was available. It's a great way to experience more of the story and the lore.

Thanks Anet.

WinterSnowblind · Jan 15, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Redvex

I dunno why you continue with this story.
Bmp will be released on 28th jen.
You don't like this?
Well leave guild wars and play wow or anything else or don't buy GW2
First, anet don't offer bmp and there are a lot of unhappy people
Now that they offer it there are also a unhappy people.
Is it a time to stop all cry?
Imho they take the right decision but remember.....gw is only a game.

Very well said. And again, this isn't anything like the divine auras, or other collectors edition items, that should be kept exclusive. These are new missions that extend the lore of the game, and while they may not be necessary, it should be something that everyone can enjoy.

I do understand why some people are unhappy about being mislead, but seriously these discussions have gone on long enough and it seems the majority of people against it, just don't want other people to have access to the weapon skins. Those of you claiming to be quitting over something as trivial as this, are rather immature. But it's cute that you think your departure would have even the slightest impact on the game, or to the developers. (Who probably aren't even incharge of making the decision to sell it)

Mac Sidewinder · Jan 15, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Very well said. And again, this isn't anything like the divine auras, or other collectors edition items, that should be kept exclusive. These are new missions that extend the lore of the game, and while they may not be necessary, it should be something that everyone can enjoy.

I do understand why some people are unhappy about being mislead, but seriously these discussions have gone on long enough and it seems the majority of people against it, just don't want other people to have access to the weapon skins. Those of you claiming to be quitting over something as trivial as this, are rather immature. But it's cute that you think your departure would have even the slightest impact on the game, or to the developers. (Who probably aren't even incharge of making the decision to sell it)

First of all I don't care that more people get the BMP, that's not my concern. If you can get it great! My concern is that Anet intentionally used deceptive advertising to get people to spend money. They intentionally let people believe that the only way to get this was by spending in the store during a limited time period. Even questions asked specifically to Gaile were returned with this falseness.

Everybody from the people who were complaining about not being able to buy at that time period to the people who said they didn't need anything in the store would have benefited from a simple statement from Anet that the BMP would/could be obtained at a later date or through a different means.

I see this as no different than if Anet now decided to sell any of their exclusive offers through the store. Why not make the divine auras, or other collectors edition items available for purchase. Just because you bought a certain edition of the game shouldn't make it exclusive to you. See it works both ways. I wonder how many people would be making the same argument we are making if (and when) those went on sale also.

I guess what it comes down to for us who feel that we have been misled is this: Don't trust Anet in the future when it comes to promotions, special offers. Will this keep me from purchasing from them in the future? No, I will simply be more wary and careful. All in all its Anet who loses the most from this whole deal. The trust of some of their customers.

Masao · Jan 15, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Mac Sidewinder

First of all I don't care that more people get the BMP, that's not my concern. If you can get it great! My concern is that Anet intentionally used deceptive advertising to get people to spend money. They intentionally let people believe that the only way to get this was by spending in the store during a limited time period. Even questions asked specifically to Gaile were returned with this falseness.

They did not use deceptive advertising. I already gave a thorough legal analysis of the offer and it is in fact valid and it's your fault for not foreseeing the most reasonable actions which ANet has undertaken to increase the marketability of their product. Do not act as though you know what deceptive advertising is.

Gaile is a know-nothing PR person who isn't even communicated information by the developers. Nothing she says should be taken as fact until confirmed by the majority community.

sickle of carnage · Jan 15, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Woot! The not-so-popular weapons are now even LESS popular!

Masao · Jan 15, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by sickle of carnage

Woot! The not-so-popular weapons are now even LESS popular!

Uh what?

Some of the skins look great.

pamelf · Jan 15, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And at no point did you think...

"hang on... £17 to get the BMP? Thats alot of money and there isnt anything I really want from the store worth that value and that means GWEN would be more expensive, maybe I should wait or join the protest to make it a stand alone item"?

It doesnt seem it.

It seems you just jumped right in, spent your money without thinking and now your p'd off because its cheaper. Am I right?

Would it have hurt to maybe join the protest and wait and see the end result?

But that's exactly what we're angry about. Not so much the money, or anything like that, but the fact that we actively chose to support a company, even though we knew we were probably losing out financially...in fact we WERE losing out financially. It's nothing to do with wanting the content earlier, or now being greedy. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I'd be perfectly content if they simply ran the promotion again with other payment options allowing other people to give their support.

Gaile said it herself in a quote posted earlier in this thread that the BMP was meant as a thank you for those who chose to support Anet by using the online store. I don't know how much more explicit you can be, but stating it exactly as a thankyou certainly doesn't suggest it will be available for sale immediately after the promotion period.

Turns out this "thankyou" for supporting them was in fact a turn around and "screw you suckers." Like I said, i'm not sure if I'm more angry at Anet, or at myself for falling for Gaile's bullshit again (don't defend Gaile to me, she's the messenger, but that's her job, and lately she certainly hasn't been doing it well...and just you watch, now that I've personally offended her she'll be here in this thread she's chosen to stay silent in like a flash - this is not trolling mods, she's as much part of the anet team as the dev's, not just another player on this board and I think I have a right to show disappointment in how she's handled this situation).

Either way, whether it be through the BMP's wording, or Gaile's comments throughout this ordeal we most certainly were mislead. While you may have chosen to take the risk, those of us that qualified for the promotion chose to show our support of a company we have grown to admire over the years... and quite frankly, that company screwed us and told us they don't need our support through their actions.

pumpkin pie · Jan 15, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Arena net: Thank you for using the online store. heres a token of our appreciation FREE BONUS MISSION PACK.

2 months later BMP is put ON SALE FOR A PRICE.

FREE to players who use the online store during the time limit. WITH A PRICE TAG for players who did not use the online store.

hrmz thats pretty easy to understand don't you think.

the problem i see now is, everyone who complain did not set out to help the online store, they buy the slots/GWEN/ or whatever item from the online store just so they can get the Bonus, hence to these players the price paid equal in their mind is to pay for the BMP which, if you stop to think YOU DID NOT PAY FOR THE BMP, it is given to players who use the online store during the promotion period and it is FREE AND ALSO WE GOT IT EARLIER BY 2 MONTHS. << that is the thank you.

the thank you IS NOT arena net stop selling their product to other players.

just remember none of us pay for the BMP, we pay for something else. now whoever is getting it have to pay for them.

Shai Lee · Jan 15, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

@ pumpkin pie

They didn't say "WITH A PRICE TAG later for players who did not use the online store".

If they did, this thread wouldn't exist. If they did, the other thread with people asking Anet to redo the BMP due to technical/location/payment difficulties wouldn't exist. They wouldn't have been upset if Anet put in that line. They would just know for sure that it would be available later. But no, Anet made them upset by not stating that it would be redistributed later. Anet made them upset by not redoing the promotions -immediately- after they fixed the online store flaws. They did not have to wait 2-3 months to suddenly tell the community that they're reselling the BMP because barely now they're acknowledging how those people who couldn't get it before (through no fault of their own, I might add) were effected. Now they have 2 groups that are upset for circumstances relating to the same issue: they could have just added the line that you can buy it later if you didn't take part in the promotion.